the 50th psalm is one of jehovah's as-of-yet-unrevealed judicial decisions that will become operative upon his people during the tribulation.
the following is a brief overview of the chapter.. "the divine one, god, jehovah, has himself spoken,.
and he proceeds to call the earth.
YK:
Greetings. Starting in verses 1 & 2, which rendering of the hebrew "earth" do you believe is represented? Is it the planetary object "earth"; or is it collective humanity "earth"; or is it the entire nation of israel "earth"?
Depending on the rendering, the scope changes dramatically.
can anyone direct me to material concerning the life/biography (if any exists) about giovanni dececca?
her served during the russell/rutherford/knorr days.. anything you have to offer would be greatly appreciated!
thank you in advance to everyone.
Help Everyone:
Can anyone direct me to material concerning the life/biography (if any exists) about Giovanni DeCecca? Her served during the Russell/Rutherford/Knorr days.
Anything you have to offer would be greatly appreciated! Thank you in advance to everyone.
jehovah, high protector and god of the pedophile.. in biblical days, when women and children, male children excepted of course, being considered little more than cattle and livestock, to have sex with children was just one additional privilege of the male.
you know, those who had the good fortune to be born with a penis.
in a society like that you had to be quick and start at an early age to be able to "scoop up" a virgin.
This thread has been extremely helpful and at the same time, its also been a very heavy burden of thought. To imagine the selfishness, the evil motives behind ancient men to invent concepts and authorities and explanations.
And after such inventions, they inject the minds of other humans under their domination and control. Who really is SATAN?
This is incredible, heavy stuff. I am "frying" over this posting.
hello all: recall how the wts harped on "crime" as the 'love of the greater number cooling off' and the growing 'lawlessness' and so forth as part of the "composite" sing of the last days.. crime is down all over the world, except for some pockets.
and as one piece of evidence, here is today's headline from the new york times:.
"who ever thought crime would go down?
Hi Amazing:
I agree. I need to research the "composite sign" in depth. I have always been unsure of the ability to compile accurate and global statistics as evidence to support historical trends.
Since the barometer was and has always been western society, then the readings were obviously inconsequential in a global scope. Does China even report such details?
Also, if the composite sign is examined and is taken out of context, then what are we really looking for anyway?
Very interesting stuff. Everyday I am getting a new education here!
jehovah, high protector and god of the pedophile.. in biblical days, when women and children, male children excepted of course, being considered little more than cattle and livestock, to have sex with children was just one additional privilege of the male.
you know, those who had the good fortune to be born with a penis.
in a society like that you had to be quick and start at an early age to be able to "scoop up" a virgin.
Waiting:
Hi and nice to exchange with you again! Thank you for raising some very, very, very reasonable and logical explanations. Possession is 9/10's of the law, and it stands to reason that men will get away with anything they can. So why not the worst, especially when there is nothing to stop them from doing so?
I just hope that wasn't the case. It leaves me with some frightnening thoughts.
hello all: recall how the wts harped on "crime" as the 'love of the greater number cooling off' and the growing 'lawlessness' and so forth as part of the "composite" sing of the last days.. crime is down all over the world, except for some pockets.
and as one piece of evidence, here is today's headline from the new york times:.
"who ever thought crime would go down?
Has anyone considered the amount of unreported crime in nations that do not have the ability or infrastructure to generate statistics?
For example, what about Uganda, Congo, Burundi, Rwanda, Indonesia, Vietnam, Thailand, Cambodia, and any other third world underdeveloped countries where there are rebels and guerillas on the loose.
Many of these nations have no means for enforcing any order whatsoever. Does that mean they are crime-free? And, if crime is a sign of so-called last days, then are we missing the sign because we cannot see all of the details around the globe, but JAH can?
Sounds like there is much room for speculation. .02$
jehovah, high protector and god of the pedophile.. in biblical days, when women and children, male children excepted of course, being considered little more than cattle and livestock, to have sex with children was just one additional privilege of the male.
you know, those who had the good fortune to be born with a penis.
in a society like that you had to be quick and start at an early age to be able to "scoop up" a virgin.
Six:
Hopefully, my postings were not misleading. I am not a proponent of any particular theology at present. Given 15 years of WTBS life, I have probably had all of the theology and theocracy I can take, for the rest of my life.
I just want to determine as quickly and as accurately as possible whether or not there is any support for believing in anything anymore. I need answers today because of my situation. Alan knows what I am talking about.
jehovah, high protector and god of the pedophile.. in biblical days, when women and children, male children excepted of course, being considered little more than cattle and livestock, to have sex with children was just one additional privilege of the male.
you know, those who had the good fortune to be born with a penis.
in a society like that you had to be quick and start at an early age to be able to "scoop up" a virgin.
Six:
I think you made my point! I agree. We must try to figure out the "weight" of those words. Now, all you need is additional evidence to substantiate the claim.
Are there any other scriptural accounts where "approved" servants are able to engage in relations with young women (pubescent/pre-pubescent)? I don't remember any offhand. Is there some type of historical document or reference you can point to that sheds more background on this particular account and the customs of sexual relations in ancient isreal?
How about some scientific evidence of middle-aged men and young girl marriages? Anything archaeological on this issue? I will accept it if you can find it and leverage with history and the scriptures to make the point.
Remember, I am not denying the possibility, just the probability in this individual account.
jehovah, high protector and god of the pedophile.. in biblical days, when women and children, male children excepted of course, being considered little more than cattle and livestock, to have sex with children was just one additional privilege of the male.
you know, those who had the good fortune to be born with a penis.
in a society like that you had to be quick and start at an early age to be able to "scoop up" a virgin.
Hey Alan!
I agree with you about Rachel and Leah, however, at what age did their slave girls begin serving in that manner? I also agree that concubines were at the whim of their owners, but again at what age?
I do not dipsute the apparent harem of women one could acquire in those days, I am just questioning the allegation that the young women in question were pubescent or pre-pubescent.
I need more information before I make a solid conclusion. There is still plenty of room to doubt Norm's allegations.
jehovah, high protector and god of the pedophile.. in biblical days, when women and children, male children excepted of course, being considered little more than cattle and livestock, to have sex with children was just one additional privilege of the male.
you know, those who had the good fortune to be born with a penis.
in a society like that you had to be quick and start at an early age to be able to "scoop up" a virgin.
Six and Norm:
Thanks for your replies. I appreciate the feedback. Depending on the mindset of the reader, the reader's background and experiences, personal faith-if any, and the reader's dispositons or pre-dispositions in this sensitive area, almost any interpretation could be voluntarily READ into the account.
Is that the result we are looking for? I hope not. I despise and hate pedophiliacs and my conscience does allow me to seek revenge if I were the victim. However, we are discussing the account in Numbers 31. While religion is a hot bed of hypocrisy, pedophilia, dual personalities, politics, corruption and just plain evil, the context of the account is about the occupation of foreign territories in Canaan, not an account leading up to the final "pot of gold", 32,000 young pubescent virgins for spoil.
The disposition of the virgins in chapter 32 (please read) discloses how the virgins were in fact distributed evenly, in the same manner as the other captured materials and livestock.
Now, does the account mention the violation and copulation with livestock? You know the answer.
While I am no fan of organized religion any longer, I am still a fan of justice. The bible may contain errors and superstitions and other problems, but when reading what is written on those pages, there is no profit in impugning meanings, unless you have concrete evidence to support it, other than the way something "looks". Sorry, I am forced to continue disagreeing.
